tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4400152815785368447.post3922985514642977887..comments2024-03-15T07:28:47.064-05:00Comments on Treknobabble: Is Star Trek Dead?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4400152815785368447.post-73995836930609248492019-02-12T22:32:41.783-06:002019-02-12T22:32:41.783-06:00Oh, and yes, Jason, props for the correctly employ...Oh, and yes, Jason, props for the correctly employed philosophical terminology :)matthewweflenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07540521459703556959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4400152815785368447.post-45636947946188897882019-02-07T14:55:14.339-06:002019-02-07T14:55:14.339-06:00I mean, you came HERE, right?I mean, you came HERE, right?matthewweflenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07540521459703556959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4400152815785368447.post-15265467573885961992018-12-31T12:19:59.316-06:002018-12-31T12:19:59.316-06:00The Hate is strong in this thread! Long live Disc...The Hate is strong in this thread! Long live Discovery, Long Live Star Trek! Don't like it? Turn the damn channel! Let us enjoy it in peace! :-)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06774463453247403980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4400152815785368447.post-1220639470064194532018-12-08T09:33:10.223-06:002018-12-08T09:33:10.223-06:00I think that Star Trek started to die in Generatio...I think that Star Trek started to die in Generations, when they killed off Kirk. Not because it is unacceptable for Kirk to die, but because it was done in such a simple minded, undramatic way. Mrs. Bearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10406528728746538232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4400152815785368447.post-35881334894922703572018-04-12T00:03:52.003-05:002018-04-12T00:03:52.003-05:00I dont think Enterprise is what set the Franchise ...I dont think Enterprise is what set the Franchise on the wrong path. It was still part of the same continuity we knew and it had the same people in charge that had been in charge of TNG and most of the other Trek shows since TNG in some capacity. I also think it was set sufficiently far in the past, exploring the origins of the Federation and interstellar travel etc that it was intriguing and believable. Too bad it got cancelled just as when it was getting to the really good part. <br /><br />What DID set the Franchise on the wrong path is the 2009 reboot and the red matter bullshit and splitting the timeline to create a parallel universe and overall nostalgia for TOS. Not to mention that it was written and directed by people who knew squat about Star Trek and were just ordered by studios to make it happen so the execs can line their pockets from a reboot that had the name Star Trek slapped on it. The 2009 film is what began the downfall of Trek. From the stupid, incoherent, idiotic script to the heavy handed approach of trying to be "cool" and "hip" to lure in 18 year olds who were laughing at a balding Captain Picard and instead preferred to see panty creamer Chris Pine getting it on with cool alien chicks while saving the universe being a rebel blah blah blah....it wasnt just downhill from there but abysmal. poppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09064123327462038174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4400152815785368447.post-7796091795710266712018-04-09T20:56:28.613-05:002018-04-09T20:56:28.613-05:00Yeah, I'd say your take on DISCO, and the fran...Yeah, I'd say your take on DISCO, and the franchise in general, is pretty much in line with mine. It was a vehicle for hour-long morality tales, high concept sci-fi, and societal allegories. DISCO is... a dumb action show with Trek trappings and a few eyebrow raises towards ethical questions?<br /><br />Also, I like Enterprise for the most part. I just think it set the franchise on the wrong path.matthewweflenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07540521459703556959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4400152815785368447.post-57821762981105715252018-04-04T19:02:48.887-05:002018-04-04T19:02:48.887-05:00Yeah, look, I don't want to agree, and there w...Yeah, look, I don't want to agree, and there were certainly enjoyable things about Discovery, but you may be right. <br /><br />Having said that, I think you might be a little hard on Enterprise. I agree that it looks like the first step towards Abrams and Discovery, but taken solely for itself, it was an interesting experiment. (Obviously, some episodes are better than others!) But only because it was still something different - making your way through space without a federation or a prime directive. It was genuinely unfamiliar, and I think they hurried too quickly to make it less so, by getting the transporters working and the universal translators up.<br /><br />Here's how I would diagnose the errors of Abrams/Disc: previous Star Trek shows had all been quite consistent in style (writing, breadth and depth of intellectual concerns) but quite different in material. TNG switched to Data, holodecks, and the Borg, and looked at the Klingons from the inside. DS9 was about Bajor, the Cardassians, the Ferengi, and the Dominion, and about the Federation at its ethical straining points. VOY was about the Delta Quadrant and trying to be a Federation of one ship. And then ENT was about the Vulcans in a new way, the temporal civil war (not my favorite thing but something different), and the Xindi.<br /><br />By way of contrast, DISC was a new style - more cussing and gross stuff, artsier camera angles, less talk about issues, one big story instead of episodic stories - but subject matter we'd seen before. Klingons. The mirror universe. Oh, and Mudd. It fundamentally misunderstood what is essential to Trek and what is accidental. (Is that correct, Matthew?)Jason L. Cornerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00828878884946178651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4400152815785368447.post-45259174118102308892018-03-31T20:58:50.422-05:002018-03-31T20:58:50.422-05:00Hi Matt,
thanks for this blog. I really enjoy you...Hi Matt,<br /><br />thanks for this blog. I really enjoy your guys' reviews and insight. <br /><br />As far as shows I have been watching, especially in the sci-fi realm (albeit not always space sci-fi): <br /><br />There is shows that I never got into during their original run for whatever reason. Like Stargate Atlantis and Universe. They look at the universe in such a fundamentally different way than Trek and it is just as intriguing. They represent a good counterpoint to the Trek universe. <br /><br />Dark Matter is another interesting show that was sadly cancelled after three seasons. <br /><br />Colony is an amazing sci fi show. Great writing. Masterful story telling. <br /><br />Finally, and this isnt space sci fi obviously but Fear the Walking Dead is a really great dystopian future/apocalyptic show. It is so much darker and more somber than the Walking Dead that is just unwatchable at this point. <br /><br />Then there is of course Battlestar Galactica <br />Continuum <br />Fringe<br />The 100<br />Travelers <br />Black Mirror <br />Lost<br /><br />Compared to all of them these garbage Trek reboots are just plain stupid, which is why I really think they actually hurt the Franchise and its legacy. poppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09064123327462038174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4400152815785368447.post-38830185510148347002018-03-26T10:23:11.463-05:002018-03-26T10:23:11.463-05:00Poppy,
What are some of the shows you've been...Poppy,<br /><br />What are some of the shows you've been watching? As far as sci-fi goes, I guess I've watched Westworld and I have dabbled in a few episodes of Black Mirror.<br /><br />It's great to hear from you :)matthewweflenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07540521459703556959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4400152815785368447.post-3456282753614189182018-03-24T20:35:38.734-05:002018-03-24T20:35:38.734-05:00When I think of the reboots all I think about is s...When I think of the reboots all I think about is squandered opportunity. For the past 10 years, one squandered opportunity after another. It's just frustrating really. <br /><br />So yeah, I think it's safe to say that Star Trek as we have known it up until the reboot in 2009 is dead. And the post mortem is ugly. These reboots are to Star Trek what velveeta is to cheese I guess. <br /><br />The fact that they even bear the name Star Trek is insulting. They didnt just reboot the Franchise if you ask me. they ruined it. It just really bothers me how dumb and superficial they have been; and clearly ordered by the marketing departments of studios who are hoping to bank on the Trek name but sufficiently stylized and dumbed down to appeal to the Jersey Shore TV Generation. But I just cant get over these caricatures that are trying to pass as characters and people we should care about. <br /><br />I mentioned in another comment that one of the reasons that Discovery did not inspire me is because, let's face it, who cares about rehashing the Klingon-Human conflict, especially when we already know the outcome? It's not like Klingons have ever been interesting "characters" to begin with (at least not to the extent that they can carry half the weight of an entire series). <br /><br />And, more to the point, why keep looking back? Star Trek has always been about the future and looking ahead, exploring space and going where no one had gone before. I mean it is only the tagline for the whole deal. How could these execs in charge of the reboots so utterly miss that and instead go where we have already been a dozen times? <br /><br />You are right, everyone is just looking back: Reboots, prequels, remakes. And when they are original and make a decent show, it is cancelled unceremoniously in the middle of a cliffhanger after 3 seasons or something. <br /><br />Anyway bored with the options available to me and in no way interested in subjecting myself to more rebooted Trek garbage (you guys are brave) I started watching other space sci-fi shows and while they are very different than Trek in many ways, I am just in awe at how far and dark they have been willing to go, making the Trek reboots look like quaint, intellectually lazy and uncreatively-Trekified-Michael-Bay-throw-up-rides where blowing up shit, making wise cracks and looking flashy in front of a glossy, lens-flare drenched Bridge that resembles more a snazzy make up counter than a Bridge, is more important than a compelling story and characters with substance. <br /><br />At any rate, Do No Resuscitate unless you are willing to put people at the helm who love and truly understand Star Trek and who have a vision for it that expands past nostalgia for Kirk and Spock. poppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09064123327462038174noreply@blogger.com